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Offline longman

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to painters out there - fairing repair
« on: March 13, 2011, 21:12:40 »
Hi
I had an off recently and decided to fix my bike myself, I touch painted the front rim and the end of the front fork. I also replaced all broken parts. The only one thing left is my right side fairing. it is scratched but not broken.
my first question is: can you buy original paint? or is it possible to match the colour so painted element doesn't look different?

as painting goes can anyone recommend any good paints, please?
I am going to sand the element and cover it with primer (2 layers) - sanding between coats and then I want to put 3 layers of red and one clear layer on top for the glossy finish - am I correct? or is it wrong?
do I need to use special paint because it has to be flexible?
thanks for any advice
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Offline stangbanger

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Re: to painters out there - fairing repair
« Reply #1 on: March 13, 2011, 22:00:35 »
Right first things first getting the paint, any motorfactors can do colour matched paint for you, some can also put this into rattlecans so you don't need proper painting equipment to apply it. Some places I have even heard can do cans with proper 2 pak paint ( top coat for paints to make them glossy and pretty, comes as a base ie clear laquer and a hardner chemical to make it go rock solid. ) I personally have never used these but they do exist. due to the paining industry going into water based paints its harder to find blokes that can make up 2 pak for you but I have very little experience with the waterbased stuff and as far as I'm aware it still uses 2 pak laquers as a top coat.
As for the exac match you tend to get what you pay for GTi for example is a brand that produce paints and they are fine for quality but a little hit or miss with the perfect match, Standox on the other hand are twice the price but pretty much bang on with the matches everytime. most brands have colour charts and a lot of them have variants for each colour so check it outside with anothe panel from the bike.

start with a heavy sandpaper like 120 or 260 grit and get the whole panel rubbed down, then put on some heavy "filler" primer, let the coats flash off and go tacky before putting on another coat. Once this has set fully ( help it with a heat gun/hairdryer ) rub it down with wet 500/600 grit paper til all the surfaces are nice and flat you should see most of the primer in the scratches and damaged areas and it may need a few more coats to get it just right. spend time doing this properly as it will be what makes the job a good one. once your happy I would throw one last coat of primer at it and rub that down just till its nice and flat, usually paint will be textured when its applied, especially when done with cans, just rub enough to get the texture off and kill off all shine so the top coats have something good to stick to.
Onto the colour coat you go, start putting the paint on nice and easy, don't try to get complete coverage it should be all blotchy at this point ( this helps the paint stick to they primer, it it was once big heavy wet coat of paint it would peel off very easily and run all over the show while wet ) don't worry about how many coats you have on, different paints and even different colours all cover differently. you can speed up drying between coats by using a hair dryer or heatgun. once you have a nice colour and no light areas let it dry out and hit it with your clearcoat, unless you have a hair or something don't rub this coat down otherwise you will see it once the clear goes on and have to start over. put the first few coats of clear on like before but work quickly and don't let them dry too much, just let it evaporate off the propellant and thinners till t goes tacky, then you will need to lay down nice flat solid coats you looking these to be proper wet and look like glass, use a hand lamp to see areas there isn't enough on and be careful not to put too much on and have it running. clearcoats are much thicker than paint so you can bung quite a bit on before it will start to run, but having to sand down a panel and polish the shine back on afterwards is a right ball ache.
I would put a fair few coats of clear laquer on as its going to give you all the nice gloss and protect that paint from scrapes etc. a good way to do it is get a ton on in the evening and let it dry out well overnight and in the morning rub it down with wet 600 or higher paper till its nice and flat but DO NOT rub through the clear, go over this again with a few more coats and let it dry this should give you a nice flat glossy surface that will need very little sanding or polishing to be damn near perfect, I have aways tried to get a perfect coat of paint on last right out of the gun so there is not much need for flattening/sanding and buffing back up.
If you do need to get dirt/runs off the final coat and you still have some clear left once its sorted fire another coat on and hopefull this will be better.
If you are having to sand the finished item down then don't use anything rougher than 1500 if having to polish by hand ideally I would use 2500 wet paper and a little soap to lessen that again, it will take forever to sand the paint flat but it will be much easier to polish the shine back on
my finishing polish of choice would be farecla G3 rubbing paste, use it like a normal car polish on a dampened cloth and be prepared for a lot of rubbing but it WILL come back nice and shiny eventually ( this bit is a pain in the hole )

stand back and admire a job well done

Any hassle pm me and ill help however I can

Jeff

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Re: to painters out there - fairing repair
« Reply #2 on: March 13, 2011, 22:25:04 »
thanks a lot mate, great post with lots of good advice, I will start looking for a paint you mentioned tomorrow. once I ve got all the stuff I will get on with the job and post the results
in the worse case scenario I will have to give it to the pro blokes and pay them to fix what I ve damaged:)
thanks a lot
paul
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Re: to painters out there - fairing repair
« Reply #3 on: March 14, 2011, 01:16:39 »
thanks stanager for a great post now only if that could be followed up by a you-tube link
but seriously a very good post
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Re: to painters out there - fairing repair
« Reply #4 on: March 14, 2011, 04:10:58 »
Painting isn't to difficult but its one of those things you kind of get a feel for, there are very few do's and donts but a helluva lot of times where your approach changes as a job progresses depending on what's happening with the item.
one thing I will say nowadays people charge far too bloody much for small jobs, yes the materials cos quite a bit and the outlay of getting a really good setup is expensive but you can still be well enough paid without having a pint of the customers blood on top.

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Re: to painters out there - fairing repair
« Reply #5 on: March 14, 2011, 06:32:08 »
Great post mate. Probably the best one I've read regarding painting.
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Offline ilenny20

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Re: to painters out there - fairing repair
« Reply #6 on: March 14, 2011, 21:22:26 »
Stangbanger - Excellent reply to question. This will be printed off and put into my file. Hopefully I will not have to refer to it, crossed fingers.

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Re: to painters out there - fairing repair
« Reply #7 on: March 16, 2011, 20:24:51 »
Well thanks blokes, my experience comes from not wanting to pay silly prices for people to paint things like bumpers and spoilers for my cars when I was 18, I got what I needed to and started messing myself I got goodenough results and everything snowballed from there. I spent the next 6-7 years doing nothing but custom bodywork on cars and finally on into a little airbrushing with helmets.
Was OK for a while but to be honest I got fed up nailing yet another stupid looking spoiler that didn't fit onto another silly car that was worth half the price of doing the bodywork and having idiots haggle over money when they were looking a respray with the latest and greatest flip paint at over 400 quid a litre, those jobs scared me lots, there was just soooo much that could go wrong. Sitting at 5am on a saturday night literally watching paint drying on a problem job so me and the blokes could get cracking on putting the car together on monday morning sucks.
So I joined the family business and now drive trucks for a mate. painless work and a nice paycheque for 4 days work a week. I paint very little thses days but still help mates out when they are in need.

If you blokes want ill see about throwing together a wee guide about common crash damage and how to sort it out yourselves as cheaply as possible and post it here, I hate seeing blokes having to pay shedloads for what is really only a few hours work if you know what to do, the painting bit is the trickiest I gues but its just a knack really with applying the paint and things can be done that may use more materials but limit the issues that can pop up during the process. I'm away this weekend but I have an american football helmet out in the garage that gave hassle do to a cockup on my part that needs redone, shouldn't take anymore than an hours work and ill maybe see if I can video it or something? anyone here able to host it if I did?

cheers  Jeff

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Re: to painters out there - fairing repair
« Reply #8 on: March 16, 2011, 22:23:05 »
thanks for you offer and I for one would be grateful.
unable to host it myself but maybe my first suggestion of a you-tube link would be do-able
look forward to your next post
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Re: to painters out there - fairing repair
« Reply #9 on: March 17, 2011, 12:15:39 »
I managed to buy scuffed fairing for 3 pounds:) so I will put it on while I am working on mine so no riding time will be lost,
I will put full photo story on as soon as I finised (or ruined it)
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Re: to painters out there - fairing repair
« Reply #10 on: March 17, 2011, 12:58:39 »
Looking forward to the 'photo story', stick in the Howto section if it comes out right. We don't have a 'how not to section' for the alternative though.
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