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Offline Ian T

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Mounting a volt meter
« on: August 20, 2017, 16:23:42 »
Grey Wolf

I see from another thread that you recommend mounting a volt meter, what would be the overall benefits, by that I mean could you outline all it would indicate or have I become the wrong end again!!!

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Re: Mounting a volt meter
« Reply #1 on: August 20, 2017, 16:51:35 »
A voltmeter will tell you the condition of your charging system and how well the bike is handling accessories. At 3000rpm and above, the corrected output of a charging system with no added electrical load should be between 13.5V and 14.8 volts.

No matter what the load or rpm, 12.8V and above is charging the battery but more than 14.8V is overcharging and possibly damaging components. The higher over 14.8V, the more likely damage is being done and the more likely the damage will be bad, like a fried ECU. 12.6-12.8V is breaking even.

Below 12.6V is discharging and an indication of a charging system problem or an accessory overload if at 3000rpm or higher. The farther below 12.6V, the sooner you'll have a dead battery.

I said corrected output earlier because a mounted voltmeter will often show a small difference between its reading and that of a hand held meter at the battery terminals, usually a bit lower. After mounting a voltmeter, check for any difference and apply the difference when checking the meter for the most accurate reading. A real problem will show a large difference from the desired range so, if you decide not to bother with figuring or doing a correction factor when checking your output, it's not a big deal. Some people are happy will the colored lights indicators to check the charging output and that's probably fine. I just like to know where in the range my bike is running rather than being happy with a green light.

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Re: Mounting a volt meter
« Reply #2 on: August 20, 2017, 18:14:30 »
wow thank you for such an indepth reply. I really appreciate it and will fit one soon as.

Is there any specific sort you recommend please

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Re: Mounting a volt meter
« Reply #3 on: August 20, 2017, 19:04:48 »
I don't have any favourites.
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Re: Mounting a volt meter
« Reply #4 on: August 20, 2017, 19:05:12 »
Cosmo shelf with Voltmeter and double USB socket

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Re: Mounting a volt meter
« Reply #5 on: August 20, 2017, 22:01:27 »
Mine is to the left of the clocks, was cheap from Amazon

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Re: Mounting a volt meter
« Reply #6 on: August 21, 2017, 06:02:52 »
Cheers think I'll go for one like that, kind of hankered after a needle one but I suppose I Got to get modern some time. I like where you put it as well.

I liked the Cosmo tray thanks for the rec but I have just ordered the fork brace and I don't fancy another hefty postage pity last week and I could of combined.

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Re: Mounting a volt meter
« Reply #7 on: August 21, 2017, 07:16:09 »
Well just ordered a 2 pronger from eBay let's hope it lasts more than a week

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Re: Mounting a volt meter
« Reply #8 on: August 21, 2017, 09:49:30 »
@ GW if it's charging at more than 12.8v what can be done to lower the charge rate?
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Re: Mounting a volt meter
« Reply #9 on: August 21, 2017, 12:57:51 »


I find the numbers quoted quite interesting.

I have just fitted a voltmeter/USB combination while I was removing my alarm. Upon firing the bike up, I checked the voltmeter was working and was quite surprised to see a reading as high as 14.7 volts. Checked battery terminals with my multimeter and that read 14.79v. Is this really in the normal range?

I was half wondering if the high voltage had lead to alarm failure, but if it's just at the highest 'normal' voltage then all good I suppose. Battery is fully charged on a battery conditioner.

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Re: Mounting a volt meter
« Reply #10 on: August 21, 2017, 13:30:45 »
Graham,

It's 14.8 volts that is the maximum within the normal range. 12.8V is just breaking even. Also see below.

Mudster,

If you are concerned about being at the highest end of the normal range, you could replace the rectifier/regulator. That controls the voltage levels. The Suzuki manual says up to 15.5V is okay but it wouldn't be okay with me. I had a BMW R90S that sat right at 14.8V though and it never had a problem except for headlight life being a bit short.
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Re: Mounting a volt meter
« Reply #11 on: August 21, 2017, 17:26:44 »
Just checked the price of reg/rec u it's and they're not too bad. Think I may monitor for a while if it's within the limits of the service manual.

Out of interest, has anyone checked how warm the reg/rec u it gets? Mine is too hot to touch.

Sorry to the OP  for the slight hijack, but it's all reasonable justification for the voltmeter and how it can be useful.

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Re: Mounting a volt meter
« Reply #12 on: August 21, 2017, 17:34:57 »
The R/R can get too hot to touch. That's why it has those big cooling fins. The later design of the Wee over the Vee puts it more out in the open for better cooling.
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Re: Mounting a volt meter
« Reply #13 on: August 21, 2017, 20:22:19 »
On the basis that every little helps, I put a smear of "heat sink paste" (I used to be a computer engineer) between Reg-Rec and frame on the Transalp  .... I'll do the same on the Glee when I remember  :smirk:

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Re: Mounting a volt meter
« Reply #14 on: August 21, 2017, 20:47:16 »
Heatsink paste won't work on a glee as it uses the fins to cold itself and is mounted on a bracket with free air to move around it .
The transalp regulator is mounted flush to the chassis to draw the heat away as the original Honda regulators don't have fins to cool themselves.
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Re: Mounting a volt meter
« Reply #15 on: August 21, 2017, 21:08:42 »
Well just ordered a 2 pronger from eBay let's hope it lasts more than a week

I bought a really cheapo one from China for 99p inc postage! OK it took 6 weeks to arrive and I wasn't expecting much in way of accuracy or longevity - I bought it to cover a hole left by removal of a heated grips controller on my previous bike.
It was on my bike for 3 years and still going strong when I sold the bike. It was also pretty accurate! So you may be pleasantly surprised when it lasts longer than a week.

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Re: Mounting a volt meter
« Reply #16 on: August 23, 2017, 12:59:47 »
Thanks, Kwackboy....It's high time I looked more closely at the Glee - I haven't yet spotted the reg-rec!

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Re: Mounting a volt meter
« Reply #17 on: August 23, 2017, 16:45:15 »
This is an aftermarket series R/R but the stock one is in the same place on the right under the front of the tank.

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Re: Mounting a volt meter
« Reply #18 on: August 23, 2017, 20:10:37 »
Thanks, GW ... I found it earlier this afternoon. It's out in the airflow, but it's also quite close to the engine, so not ideal for cooling, I'd have thought! I've also decided to join the "voltmeter" brigade ... one of the multi-colour LEDs types arrived this morning, so I need to decide where to position it  - and where to pick up the (switched) feed. I'll probably connect, temporarily, to the heated grips connection - it's switched, but a bit "iffy" ... I'm on the waiting list for one of Mr BigPie's wonderboxes  :)