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Offline revapi

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rear wheel spindle
« on: August 03, 2014, 17:43:31 »
after adjusting the chain , which I have done before several times, got out the torque wrench and set it to 100 nm and set about tightening the nut only to shear the thread in the nut clean out . so now I need a rear  spindle and nut, has anyone got any idea where I can get one from .
its a 2012 DL650

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Re: rear wheel spindle
« Reply #1 on: August 03, 2014, 18:19:49 »
This place might be able to help you
Item number 9 (64711-03F00)
Item number 12 (08319-3118A)
They are the same part numbers for the L2
http://www.robinsonsfoundry.co.uk/content/pages/shop/parts/Suzuki/DL%20-%20V-Strom/DL650/K7-L0%202007-2010/dl650k7rearwheelabs.htm

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Re: rear wheel spindle
« Reply #2 on: August 03, 2014, 18:43:09 »
I'll repeat my usual warning. Use anti seize or copper grease the prevent the threads from seizing. To make up for the lubrication effect, torque to 80Nm. http://www.stromtrooper.com/general-v-s ... alled.html
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Re: rear wheel spindle
« Reply #3 on: August 03, 2014, 18:52:39 »
Is there a rule of thumb for copperslip (etc) vs threadlock?

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Re: rear wheel spindle
« Reply #5 on: August 03, 2014, 19:07:15 »
Use threadlock on bolts that have a history of coming loose but never on a bolt that holds plastic down. The two bolts that hold the fairing frame to the main frame are a good example. They and the bolts that hold the calipers are the only ones I've usde thread locker on. You can use molybdenum anti seize on zinc plated bolts that thread into aluminum, especially hot aluminum like engine cases. Don't use copper on aluminum though. I haven't seen any reports of engine case bolt problems on V-Stroms, probably due to them not being cross head screws. Use anti seize on high torque stainless on stainless applications. The rear axle and nut are the only place I've ever seen a galling problem reported on V-Stroms.
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Re: rear wheel spindle
« Reply #6 on: August 03, 2014, 19:08:28 »
Just get a new nut.

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Re: rear wheel spindle
« Reply #7 on: August 03, 2014, 20:39:31 »
the thread on the spindle is a bit "flat" if you know wot I mean ,I think I will play safe and replace both

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Re: rear wheel spindle
« Reply #8 on: August 03, 2014, 21:35:38 »
Think of galling as cold welding due to pressure. Metal from one piece galls to the other and the threads break when enough pressure is applied. You are actually fairly lucky all the transfer of metal seems to have been from the axle to the nut and the nut was removable. In many cases of galling the axle nut, it has to be cut off. Do replace both parts and use anti seize or copper grease on the new parts with a lowered torque to account for the lubrication effect. I have yet to see a single report of a problem using that method.
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Re: rear wheel spindle
« Reply #9 on: August 03, 2014, 22:05:16 »
I think the problem was from the nut being greased and me using 100mn . you learn by your mistakes . the thread went when I was doing it up.

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Re: rear wheel spindle
« Reply #10 on: August 03, 2014, 22:16:02 »
Oh! A greased thread won't gall but using 100Nm on lubricated thread is over torquing.
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Re: rear wheel spindle
« Reply #11 on: August 03, 2014, 22:18:59 »
Blimey, you really Got to go some to strip a spindle nut  :shock: . There isn't any need to have tread lock because nearly all rear spindle nuts are lock nuts by design . Just a minimal light greasing is needed to stop the thread from wearing .
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Re: rear wheel spindle
« Reply #12 on: August 03, 2014, 22:34:23 »
thanks everyone for the  advice

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Re: rear wheel spindle
« Reply #13 on: August 03, 2014, 22:47:23 »
It isn't so much wear or corrosion that creates a need for lubricating the threads in this case. Galling is what needs to be prevented. Lubricants can help with those containing moly seeming to be the most effective. Any lubricated thread needs to have its torque reduced from a dry spec to make up for the lubrication effect.

http://www.aftfasteners.com/AFTBlog.htm ... or-seizing
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Nicknames I use to lessen typing, Vee = 2002-2012 (K2-L2) DL1000s. Veek=2014+ (L4+) DL1000s. Wee = 2004-2011 (K4-L1) DL650s. Glee = 2012+ (L2+) DL650s

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Re: rear wheel spindle
« Reply #14 on: August 04, 2014, 09:51:59 »
I found the following somewhere on the (always reliable of course) WWW - they look like a good starting point:


Torque multipliers for lubricated threads            
Multiply the torque value by the derating factor to get the torque you should            
use with a given lubricant.            
            
Black Oxide   1         
Steel - clean, dry, non-plated   1         
Silver grade anti-seize   0.9         
Electro-plated zinc   0.85         
N-1000 anti-seize   0.85         
N-7000 anti-seize   0.8         
Cad plating   0.8         
SAE-20 motor oil   0.8         
WD-40   0.8         
N-5000 anti-seize   0.75         
Graphite   0.7         
Molybdenum grease   0.7         
Grease with graphite flakes   0.65         
Moly-50 anti-seize   0.65         
Oil - light weight   0.6         
Grease with moly disulphide   0.55         
Moly paste (moly disulphide)   0.55         
Oil - heavy weight   0.5         
Never-Seize(tm)   0.5
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