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Offline K6

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Thinking of a 650, your thoughts please....
« on: July 30, 2014, 11:09:34 »
Hi there, I have just registered as I would like opinions of current 650 owners.

I have a GSXR1000K6 at the minute. Owned since new (with a few others along the way). This is now my only bike as I have a young family and sold the others, mainly due to lack of use.

Truth is the K6 is the best bike I have ever been on. It is also undoubtedly too fast for our roads. When I say too fast I mean in the legal sense. It is not possible (with my will power) to stay within view of any speed limit once  hitting the open road. As said, I have a young family so I can't run the risk of going to prison just for having a bit of manic fun on the twisties.

This is my sole reason for looking to change. I rode the old 1000 V Strom around Spain when it first came out. This was on a touring holiday I won via Eurosport, fantastic it was too! I remember it being a fine bike, though a bit soft in comparison to what I tend to ride.

Looking on the net a couple of days ago I came across the new 650 and it caught my eye. I then read Kevin Ash's review and up date (sorely missed) and started thinking seriously about this as an option.

My main questions therefore: -

Would this be too much of a step down in power?

Is the 650 as good as claimed.

What are the best and worst bits of the 650

Finally, are there and great deals to be had at the minute, I do love a deal!

Thanks in advance. I better get some work done!

K6

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Re: Thinking of a 650, your thoughts please....
« Reply #1 on: July 30, 2014, 11:40:48 »
My thoughts are jumping from a Gixer thou to a 650 you possibly might initially get a shock regards power/grunt/torque wise.......!!

I used to ride K3/K4 Gixer thou's and for the past 6yrs I've been riding a K8 Vstrom DL1000 and utterly love it, ticks all the boxes for me, not blindingly fast but after a couple of tweaks here & there it's surprising what it can do and shake off sports bikes on tight twisties etc...

On my 2008 DL1000 I've fitted a power commander - two tooth more rear sprocket - K&N air filter - carbon oval Akrapovic pipes - upgraded both brake lines with Goodridge & Hel with EBC HH pads - brighter/whiter Osram headlamp bulbs etc....


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Re: Thinking of a 650, your thoughts please....
« Reply #2 on: July 30, 2014, 11:48:35 »
It will be a huge step down in power. Whether you are OK with that only you can answer. You may be good with at first but then miss the power later on. Get a long test ride, it's the only way you can tell. The good thing is that it will slow you down, whilst it can do over a ton, it takes a good while to get there by comparison, and it is a lot happier when kept below 80-90.

The 650 is very good value. It's the swiss army knife of the biking world. It does everything reasonably competently.

The bad...

Well the suspension is not very good. Limited adjustment and fairly soft as standard. You can add an after market fork brace to help stabilise the front. You can add stiffer fork springs if you are on the lardy side, and you can always replace the rear shock.

It will suffer from corrosion around the water pump housing, so keep on top of the cleaning there. ACF50 spray is your friend if you are using it in all weathers.

You may or may not suffer from buffeting with the stock screen, many do and replace it with various after market screens and adjustable screen brackets.

The lights are not relay operated, so the full load goes through the switch gear, this can cause issues with the lights on older bikes but you should be OK for a good number of years before that happens. An aftermarket relay solution is available to prevent this happening. Having said that, the lights are very good.

The brakes are a bit naff. Changing to some HH EBC brake pads up front will help, but you will never have sports bike performing brakes.

The stock tyres are pretty poor (some people are OK with them). The only time I had the ABS cutting in under hard braking was with the stock tyres on bumpy roads.

I don't want you to think it is all bad, I'm just trying to prepare you, it is a very good bike, and I can't think of anything better at its price point.
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Re: Thinking of a 650, your thoughts please....
« Reply #3 on: July 30, 2014, 12:03:55 »
It will also depend on your build. I am 6'2", 34-35" inside leg and 13.5 stone and I always had problems with getting the right screen to stop buffeting, lowered the foot pegs to gain extra leg room and changed front springs to stop diving at harder braking.

I have moved from DL650 to GSXR 600 K4 and I love it. For some strange reason I find the GSXR more comfortable. And the extra power is very nice.

I am not trying to put you of at all. There are many positives with DL650. Economy, seating position, luggage capacity, weather protection

Best thing to do is to take one out for a long test ride

Good luck
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Re: Thinking of a 650, your thoughts please....
« Reply #4 on: July 30, 2014, 13:20:51 »
The later DL650 aka as Glee's seem to have improved on most bits the wee riders got aftermarket bits to cure the annoyances on. Prices of the Glee's are quite keen as most depreciation seems to be in the first year.

One good thing about the 650 is you can fully open the throttle and it does take some time to get to illegal speeds, and a while to get to ban / locked up speeds, plus the softish suspension deals with the state of our roads fairly well. I got the Glee to slow me down a bit, and 99% of the time I don't miss the extra power, but only a decent test ride will tell you if you mind the drop. BTW a significant number find the screen to be the most annoying thing, but that can easily be fixed by going for a Madstad bracket on the wee, or Givi Airflow screen on the Glee.

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Re: Thinking of a 650, your thoughts please....
« Reply #5 on: July 30, 2014, 21:04:40 »
I recommend a long test ride on one, make sure the suspension is at least set to standard settings before you leave the dealers, perhaps tweak up the rear preload two rings if you're not short in the leg.

The 650 will slow you down and hopefully make you realise that there's a lot of fun to be had when you have time to look around and over the hedges when you ride. On a sports bike at the fastest speed you can go with your arse in the air you don't get to appreciate the places you ride through :)
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Re: Thinking of a 650, your thoughts please....
« Reply #6 on: July 30, 2014, 21:29:56 »
What Juvecu said ... Enjoy the ride and look at what you ride past.

I've never had anything bigger than the 650 and have only spent ~90 minutes in total riding the new and old versions of the DL1000. So I don't know what I am missing.

What I do know is the 650 is still fast enough to get you in trouble, still fast enough to hurt you and still fast enough to leave the cagers for dead. So what more do you need?
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Re: Thinking of a 650, your thoughts please....
« Reply #7 on: July 30, 2014, 22:01:52 »
This is how I came to the new 650 (Glee), I needed a bike that was still going to be fun at legal speeds, I've still got it and it's going nowhere. It succeeded in slowing me down, I always went out with the best intentions but ended up speeding up as 70 seemed too tame, like I was pootling along, and before I knew it I was in 3 figures again because that's where the fun was. Something had to give, I started looking at middleweight adventure bikes, Kevin Ash's review caught my eye and a mate said I should test ride it. I'm pleased I did as I was ready to put a deposit on a Tiger 800, then bought the Vstrom.

It makes me smile at 70 on A and B roads, and has actually succeeded in slowing me down on my zx6 too, mission accomplished.

It's not slow though, remember what you're coming from, a Superbike. The 650 will still out-accelerate 98% of the cars you encounter, and it'll do it cheaply, comfortably and legally. Test ride one and report back.

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Re: Thinking of a 650, your thoughts please....
« Reply #8 on: July 30, 2014, 23:34:18 »
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The 650 will still out-accelerate 98% of the cars you encounter
Possibly 98% of the car models, but more like 99.99% of the cars encountered. Here's a list of the cars that can do 0-60 in under 4 seconds like the 650 can. http://www.autosnout.com/0-60-Times/0-6 ... econds.php

How often do you encounter them?
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Re: Thinking of a 650, your thoughts please....
« Reply #9 on: July 30, 2014, 23:45:33 »
Thank you all for the excellent replies. I couldn't have asked for anything more.

I think you have all said what I am pretty much thinking. You've also highlighted some of the negatives, and positives that I have read in the online reviews that I have found.

As it happens my GIXXER is in for a brake recall tomorrow morning and I have managed to tie this up with a test ride. I'm hoping to get about three hours riding in so will have a definite idea afterwards.

Weather forecast isn't great, which may turn out to be a good thing as I can test in the wet too.

I had one other test ride a couple of months ago. This was on a Ducati Multistrada (older 1100). It was a fine bike. I got into it about half way round. Mirrors were the worst bit. Then I rode home on the GIXXER and it put the Ducati into context. This is why I still have the GIXXER. Ironically, it is just too good and so easy to ride fast, this is the problem, I need to slow down and it isn't possible on the GIXXER. Talk about torn!

I'll let you know how the test ride goes.

Thanks again.

K6

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Thinking of a 650, your thoughts please....
« Reply #10 on: July 31, 2014, 07:19:38 »
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Quote from: "Jacko"
The 650 will still out-accelerate 98% of the cars you encounter
Possibly 98% of the car models, but more like 99.99% of the cars encountered. Here's a list of the cars that can do 0-60 in under 4 seconds like the 650 can. http://www.autosnout.com/0-60-Times/0-6 ... econds.php

How often do you encounter them?

I apologise for my estimate's inaccuracy.

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Re: Thinking of a 650, your thoughts please....
« Reply #11 on: July 31, 2014, 07:37:57 »
lol looks like your solar powered calculator needs new batteries, Jacko...!
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Re: Thinking of a 650, your thoughts please....
« Reply #12 on: July 31, 2014, 10:07:31 »
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Quote from: "greywolf"
Quote from: "Jacko"
The 650 will still out-accelerate 98% of the cars you encounter
Possibly 98% of the car models, but more like 99.99% of the cars encountered. Here's a list of the cars that can do 0-60 in under 4 seconds like the 650 can. http://www.autosnout.com/0-60-Times/0-6 ... econds.php

How often do you encounter them?

I apologise for my estimate's inaccuracy.


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Re: Thinking of a 650, your thoughts please....
« Reply #13 on: July 31, 2014, 10:28:46 »
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Quote from: "Jacko"
Quote from: "greywolf"
Quote from: "Jacko"
The 650 will still out-accelerate 98% of the cars you encounter
Possibly 98% of the car models, but more like 99.99% of the cars encountered. Here's a list of the cars that can do 0-60 in under 4 seconds like the 650 can. http://www.autosnout.com/0-60-Times/0-6 ... econds.php

How often do you encounter them?

I apologise for my estimate's inaccuracy.


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Re: Thinking of a 650, your thoughts please....
« Reply #14 on: July 31, 2014, 13:19:47 »
(0% of statistics are made up, including all those mentioned here.  :neen:
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Re: Thinking of a 650, your thoughts please....
« Reply #15 on: July 31, 2014, 13:33:25 »
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(0% of statistics are made up, including all those mentioned here.  :neen:

The problem with statistics is that four out of three facts are wrong   :old:

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Re: Thinking of a 650, your thoughts please....
« Reply #16 on: July 31, 2014, 13:41:37 »
http://cheezburger.com/4777806080

Says it all about statistics  lol

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Re: Thinking of a 650, your thoughts please....
« Reply #17 on: July 31, 2014, 14:13:35 »
That 0 was supposed to be 90.

It must have been a pain to access the Internet on an abacus.
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Re: Thinking of a 650, your thoughts please....
« Reply #18 on: July 31, 2014, 19:40:20 »
So, to conclude, the Glee is fast, Abe Lincoln had one and GW isn't a big fan of inaccurate guesses.

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Re: Thinking of a 650, your thoughts please....
« Reply #19 on: July 31, 2014, 20:07:56 »
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GW isn't a big fan of inaccurate guesses.
Except when I'm making them.  Where's the "I ought to be ashamed of myself" emoticon?
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