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Offline wunwinglow

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Re: new Strom cuts out/backfires/stalls on pull away
« Reply #240 on: January 21, 2015, 10:41:32 »
First mornings commute, and there is a bump on the M4, so the M32 is empty!! Didn't put my feet down until I got to the Bear Pit roundabout, so I didn't get to filter at all! Ah well... Otherwise. looking good! No coughs, no hesitancy. I might look at taking up a little slack in the throttle cable over lunchtime.

Wait for the next exciting report....

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Re: new Strom cuts out/backfires/stalls on pull away
« Reply #241 on: January 21, 2015, 11:19:23 »
Quote from: "wunwinglow"
Wait for the next exciting report....

No news = good news then  :)

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Re: new Strom cuts out/backfires/stalls on pull away
« Reply #242 on: January 21, 2015, 13:29:09 »
I just don't want to tempt fate!! But yes, so far, nothing to report, in other words, working like it always should have done.

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Re: new Strom cuts out/backfires/stalls on pull away
« Reply #243 on: January 21, 2015, 14:03:27 »
If it stays like that don't let the dealer have the parts back!!!  :)

I do hope this issue resolves for all concerned as I know what a PITA it is having a bike not running properly from the sparkplug issue on the Glee

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Re: new Strom cuts out/backfires/stalls on pull away
« Reply #244 on: January 21, 2015, 14:29:05 »
Sorry Wunwinglow, but here's hoping your journey home is a nightmare of stop starting filtering. We could put you in one of those wheels so it's not too boring for you being a lab rat' cheers

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Re: new Strom cuts out/backfires/stalls on pull away
« Reply #245 on: January 22, 2015, 17:44:33 »
Told the whole story to me dealer (he's my friend) today. He was very interested and he said that the part replaced is a bit too vast (sorry about expression, english is not my mother tongue). Whole throttle body, fuel lines and treated connectors, he said, give some idea about the problematic source but it is still a bit far from finding exact part. He said he's happy to hear that customer's bike was solved but it would be nice to know exact part, as that way he and all other deales could put some pressure on Suzuki to make recall. Otherwise, Suzuki will hardly ever recall whole throttle body, fuel lines and wiring harness in just one shot.
Then he told me one more thing. Few months ago he had DL1000, but previous model, with same symptoms. Spent whole day trying everything but all was OK on the bike, computer returned no faults but the bike kept on showing those symptoms. Then, just as one more thing to try before closing for the day, he replaced clutch switch. He said he didn't believe that was the problem, as the original switch was working fine and we have no corosion here in the south. The original switch and all contacts looked as good as new, but he still gave it a go. And voila, problem was solved. He said he was mad. He tested the switch he removed million times on multimeter and it was fine. Few days ago, the same bike returned for scheduled service and he asked the owner about previous fault. Owner replied that the fault has never come back again. "Go figure!" he said...
Well, that's life, I guess. He was just telling me the story as one more thing to consider and I'm just transmitting what he said.
But he told me that he has to find out what was going on with new DL1000 as the bikes can't stay that way and customers have the right to have 100% operational rides.
In my opinion, we are slowly moving forward in finding the exact part to blame, thanks to blokes here that simply wouldn't give up and I can't stress enough how much I'm thankful for that.
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Re: new Strom cuts out/backfires/stalls on pull away
« Reply #246 on: January 22, 2015, 18:02:32 »
Mentioned earlier in this thread about the earth lead. A secondary earth lead fitted and it now runs like a dream. No cut outs, nothing. Well chuffed with it now, going to keep it.
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Re: new Strom cuts out/backfires/stalls on pull away
« Reply #247 on: January 22, 2015, 18:35:05 »
Can you explain exactly how you did it? Maybe post few photos?
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Re: new Strom cuts out/backfires/stalls on pull away
« Reply #248 on: January 22, 2015, 19:53:15 »
Interesting post bosnjo. What do you mean by clutch switch though. Excuse my ignorance if I'm missing something obvious.

Candyfloss. As bosnjo said, is it possible to send a photo of how you put in a secondary earth lead?

Fingers crossed for wunwinglow's succesful test riding.
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Re: new Strom cuts out/backfires/stalls on pull away
« Reply #249 on: January 22, 2015, 20:01:08 »
I was talking about electrical switch behind clutch lever, the one that doesn't let you start the bike without clutch lever pulled all the way to the bars.
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Re: new Strom cuts out/backfires/stalls on pull away
« Reply #250 on: January 24, 2015, 18:46:52 »
First ride of the year for me today (not having the opportunity to ride on weekdays).

Made some changes to the bike prior to today's ride.

1) New arrow exhaust (baffles still in)
2) Slackened off the throttle cable a tad
3) Traction control set to 2

Well I am pleasantly surprised. The ride was so much smoother in the lower revs, less jerky rolling on/off the throttle and no cut outs/farts or splutters.

Not sure whether the cold air has played a part in this and have also been here before many times, thinking it was fixed only for the issue to return a week later.

I would definitely say the exhaust has made a big difference though. Apart from sounding more grunty, the bike seemed to have a new found crispness with throttle response and was a lot easier to manage on slow manoeuvres.

I only clocked up 20 or so miles around town. Never got above 3rd gear. But historically this is when the bike plays up most, in and around town once warmed up.

Fingers crossed for a repeat performance next time I'm out on it.
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Re: new Strom cuts out/backfires/stalls on pull away
« Reply #251 on: January 24, 2015, 21:23:15 »
Well, you're the second person, after me, that found TC on setting 2 giving less jerky ride. Everyone on this forum found that TC on 1 gives the smoothest ride but I found (and posted somewhere here) the mine was very smooth with TC on 2. I also have Arrow exhaust (never tried it with baffle in). When I got the bike, still all stock, TC on 1, to do a simple roundabout it had to be with slipping the clutch. Now I can do it in 2nd, without touching the cluch, at 2.000 rpm, and bike is as smooth as silk.
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Re: new Strom cuts out/backfires/stalls on pull away
« Reply #252 on: January 24, 2015, 23:08:36 »
That's good news for me also then Bosnjo. Hopefully we've found a fix.
Before I start celebrating though. Do you still/have you had any cut outs with TC on 2 and arrow exhaust?
Please say NO!!
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Re: new Strom cuts out/backfires/stalls on pull away
« Reply #253 on: January 25, 2015, 10:59:42 »
Well, can't say NO but can't say YES as well.
I ride my bike every single day, just sometimes I let it rest during weekend. So, it'd be some 150 miles a week average. Cut-outs, average, would happen once a week. So it'd be one cut-out per every 150 miles, average again.
But, good news is that my engine hasn't shut down for last 3 months. At ocasions I feel it's going to stall, hearing that clonky sound coming somewhere from butterfly, I quickly "repeat" the accelerator, I mean rotate it OFF and ON quickly and engine doesn't stall.
Now, let's discount some obvious ocasions with cut-outs. Firstly, let's discount ocasions with bike rolling freely on idle, like approaching red light, when I just can't help it and have to blip the throttle. It hapens in those situations sometimes, and since I own the bike, engine did shut off completely in two of those ocasions.
Then, let's discount cold morning, 7ºC (it means cold here in south), engine completely cold, getting out of my garage, up the steep ramp and not revving the engine enough. Luckily for me, engine has never died there as that steep ramp has slow sharp turn and I'd be down instantly, but I did feel it'd go down so I just "repeat" my throttle and rev engine a bit more to save myself from going down on that damn ramp. When I remember to rev it higher on that exit, I have no problem, never.
So, if I discount those obvious situations (or, let's say, my faults), I could say I have "almost cut-out" only, in average, once a month or every 600-700 miles.
It has never hapened while filtering.
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Re: new Strom cuts out/backfires/stalls on pull away
« Reply #254 on: January 25, 2015, 15:27:03 »
A throttle rotation sweep fixing a stall condition is a classic sign of a bad TPS.
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Re: new Strom cuts out/backfires/stalls on pull away
« Reply #255 on: January 25, 2015, 15:48:38 »
Thanks greywolf. My dealer has checked that one also already.
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Re: new Strom cuts out/backfires/stalls on pull away
« Reply #256 on: January 25, 2015, 16:27:11 »
There is no way to check other than replacement. Was it replaced on the new throttle body?
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Re: new Strom cuts out/backfires/stalls on pull away
« Reply #257 on: January 25, 2015, 16:31:17 »
No, nothing has been replaced on my bike yet. He checked "old fashion" way (dealer mode) and on computer. I didn't know you can't check TPS.
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Re: new Strom cuts out/backfires/stalls on pull away
« Reply #258 on: January 25, 2015, 17:28:59 »
Greywolf, any ideas where can I buy a new TPS and how much?
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Re: new Strom cuts out/backfires/stalls on pull away
« Reply #259 on: January 25, 2015, 17:55:25 »
Looking at the parts list, it should cost arround £50.
I guess the parts is this:
SENSOR ASSY
13580-27G21
But it's be better if greywolf confirms that.

If you want one, just go to Suzuki dealer that doesn't know you. That way you don't need to explain anything.
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