Author Topic: new strom cuts out/backfires/stalls on pull away (Read 67700 times)

CandyFloss · « **Reply #120 on:** November 30, 2014, 21:58:58 »

I have held off from posting the result of my visit to the Dealer a week last Friday. My visit before that for a throttle body balance improved matters and I reported the good news! on this forum. Sadly it didn't last and I was back to square one again, horrible low speed running and an instance of a cut out. Well its been over a week and a few hundred miles and now what a difference. The bike is as it should be silky smooth and an absolute joy to ride. The fix, earth lead to the engine replaced. Hard to believe? Well it appears that Suzuki are aware of the problem which is affecting some but not all bikes. Bliss.

UK_Vstrom650 · « **Reply #121 on:** November 30, 2014, 22:10:09 »

Great news! I wonder if Suzuki will (or ask dealers to) contact people to check if there's any issues & arrange a fix?

wunwinglow · « **Reply #122 on:** November 30, 2014, 23:51:28 »

CandyFloss, I am delighted your bike is now as it should be. Mine had its earth lead disconnected, cleaned, coppaslipped and replaced, and it might have improved things a little bit, but mine is still not happy at all at lower revs. I'm filming every commute trip I do now to record the nasties when they happen. I am wondering if I might have a faulty TPS perhaps? There still seems to be a disconnect between throttle position and the revs/torque produced, and the dreaded rev drop still happens from time to time. I had a go on Frasers demo bike, and this was much smoother, so there is still something wrong with mine. And the DL650 I had as a loan bike was an utter delight in comparison. So I am pretty sure it isn't me......

Tim

Jacko · « **Reply #123 on:** December 01, 2014, 11:21:55 »

Get a new earth lead, report back. It looks like some of them might be faulty.

wunwinglow · « **Reply #124 on:** December 01, 2014, 13:35:02 »

Will do. I am wondering if the TPS is faulty too......

Tim

wunwinglow · « **Reply #125 on:** December 01, 2014, 13:54:00 »

Is there some kind of system on the Veek that deliberately cuts the fuel off when the bike is in neutral?

Tim

55JAMPOT · « **Reply #126 on:** December 01, 2014, 14:36:34 »

Hi Wunwinglow,
Interesting (annoying/sad) to read the issues regarding the new 1000 strom, have had a 650 AL2 for almost a couple of years now and as you rightly say the engine is a peach and still is! (had posted my thoughts on it in the early days under 'vee or wee'), the only fault I can find with the bike is a slight vibration caused by the crash bars fitted, dissappears completely when the bars are removed, an issue highlighted elsewhere on this site, I had a 2002 vee before and some of the issues your experiencing now were present in that bike, it needed very careful balancing every year to stop the coughing and backfiring, (very nearly blew the rear injector body off in Italy!!) and would vibrate/shudder horribly if it was revving too low, even at 70 in top gear up a hill, annoyed me sooo much in the end I traded it in for the 650.
I guess my point is would you be happy with the 650? it is a very fine bike but personally I still miss the overtaking grunt of the thou and I'm sure a well set up 1000 would be a joy, I rang a dealer only this morning inquiring about trading in my little 650 for a 1000 but reading all this post I think I may hang fire a bit longer.
I wish you the best of luck in getting your bike running right but it should run perfect straight from the crate like the 650.
I guess some dealers know how to set them up and others don't, how about could starting a list of where good 2014 vstrom 1000 dealer/mechanics are.

Don

wunwinglow · « **Reply #127 on:** December 01, 2014, 16:25:04 »

Thanks Don, I'll plough on at the moment, because otherwise the bike is just wonderful! I just had another chat with Frasers, they are wondering about changing the entire throttle body section, if only to try and isolate the problem. Changing the earth lead is also on the to- do list. I have some vid footage as well showing the glitch happening.

I was really impressed with the DL650. I just know I am going to be equally delighted with MY bike, when it DOES get sorted! I'll keep you posted....

Tim

PS I rode Frasers demo Veek last week, and it was just like the DL650, so I know it isn't me......

55JAMPOT · « **Reply #128 on:** December 01, 2014, 19:10:48 »

Tim
I also test rode the Veek earlier in the year from Groombridges in Sussex, I thought as first it was good but lacked a bit of excitement till I spotted a Triumph of some sort in the distance, gave it the beans and boy it proper went....and handled....and smoked the Triumph through the twisties....and stopped! The dealer was still asking top dollar then so I held off, then back home on the 650 thinking to myself this isn't too shabby either, but as us old buggers say there's no substitute for cubes. now I'm reading of these problems so its putting me off a bit but as you say they can't all be wonky, so..Anyone want to buy a pristine 650 al2 'adventure' with just 4800 miles in white????

Don

wunwinglow · « **Reply #129 on:** December 01, 2014, 22:56:04 »

Oh yes, it pulls like a train when you wind it up, and it can certainly outperform me corneringwise. Other than this grumpy low rev nonsense, I really do love it!! If it was a bit rubbish in a few other aspects, I'd have handed the keys back to Frasers and gone back to a GSX1250FA long ago...... But it isn't!!

Here's the proof!

I'm going to sort this........

Tim

oddbod · « **Reply #130 on:** December 02, 2014, 07:52:21 »

Glad to see there is quite an interest in this post. I've been tied up with work commitments the last month or so, therefore havent had time to use my vee or update this site.
what I can say is the last time the dealer had the bike for rectification purposes, they cleaned up the earth lead, examined the bike & took it for a 90 mile test ride in varying traffic conditions. They presented me with a work sheet stating "no fault, bike is in perfect running order".

I ride the bike home and yes, the next day waiting at traffic lights, quick blip on the throttle ready for pull away and it cuts out!

Am considering lifting the tank and checking the tightness of the throttle body sleeves, changing the plugs and may even swap the earth lead.

If that doesn't work then I guess the only avenue I have left is returning the bike.

Like wunwinglow. In all other aspects the bike is perfect, hence why I have stuck with it so long. In any other circumstance it would have been sitting back in the dealers two weeks after I purchased it as I would have returned it.

wunwinglow · « **Reply #131 on:** December 04, 2014, 11:06:58 »

After a week of fiddling with the throttle cable adjuster, I have found that even a quarter turn on the adjuster tube can have a significant difference in the response from the engine. I'm wondering if either drag in the cable, or a less-than-sufficiently strong return spring is leading to vague TPS positioning. Maybe the TPS is sticky?

Anyway, adjusting out as much of the slack in the throttle cable does seem to sort out a good deal of my particular issues, I'm just concerned that it not being 'to the book' might lead to other issues.

I still get this nasty rev drop occasionally however, so that looks to be something else entirely.

Any thoughts anyone?

Tim

PS Anyone going to the Bristol Advanced Motorcyclists Super Sunday meeting this coming Sunday? I'd really appreciate some second opinions on this!!

http://bam-members.org.uk/?page_id=13

SimonW · « **Reply #132 on:** December 04, 2014, 13:14:41 »

Quote from: "wunwinglow"

<snip> Any thoughts anyone? <snip>

Yes, I think you've been incredibly patient and this is entirely Suzuki's problem. They ought to be resolving it, either directly or via their dealer network. I am never keen on quoting this, or using it early in the process of trying to rectify problems, but under the Sale of Goods Act 1979 goods must be "as described, of satisfactory quality and fit for purpose". I don't think anyone could reasonably disagree that the symptoms you continue to experience render the bike not fit for purpose. It is a great shame, since clearly a lot of other owners (me included) do not suffer from the same symptoms. It is a great bike and the problems are obviously resolvable (given that not everyone suffers), even if that means replacing the entire bike with another one.

oddbod · « **Reply #133 on:** December 04, 2014, 13:39:44 »

Wunwinglow.
I too adjusted off the slack on the throttle cable and although this reduced the cut outs it did not cure them.

Simon W
Your point is spot on.
The reason I decided to purchase a brand new bike was based around the fact that I have a demanding job that is too far to commute by motorcycle on a daily basis. Therefore I only get weekends to enjoy my bike. What I was expecting to do was, start my bike, ride my bike, return home. What I find myself doing is spending far too may hours trying to sort out my bike's problems.

If I wanted to do this sort of thing I would have purchased an old one to do up and play with as per my youth days.

The result for me is definitely "Not fit for Purpose" both mechanically an socially. Which is a great shame because the bike is so great in every other aspect.

I will be getting Christmas out the way and resolving this issue once and for all in the New Year.

My dealer has declared the bike Fit for Purpose so I guess its direct to Suzuki with this issue for me from now on. Unless of course a miraculous cure is found.

Regards,
A very sad Oddbod

Timmo · « **Reply #134 on:** December 04, 2014, 19:14:58 »

I don't think your dealer is being honest. They sold you the Bike it's down to them legally. Get the ball rolling before end of year it will run into 2015 and you will have a head start. This is the reason I have not bought one yet, I could not stand what your going through. Best of luck

alan29 · « **Reply #135 on:** December 04, 2014, 20:02:08 »

Get your consumer rights people involved.
This tale is one of the main reason that Suzuki won't be getting ten thousand of my pounds for a while - no matter how many free extras they throw at the bike.
Shocking.

bigpie · « **Reply #136 on:** December 04, 2014, 23:06:11 »

It's not the dealers place to declare the bike fit for purpose, and your contract of sale is with them, not Suzuki. Citizens advice or a friendly chat with a legal professional will enlighten you about your legal rights, if you aren't aware.

oddbod · « **Reply #137 on:** December 05, 2014, 10:56:37 »

New year resolution for me then.

Slacken off the throttle cable

Check the throttle body sleeves are tightly on

Change the spark plugs

If I have one more cut out, then return the bike to dealer

Contact consumer rights professional
Fingers crossed points 1-3 do the job. If not then points 3-4 will be carried out.

Cheers everyone. I will update with progress

Oop North John · « **Reply #138 on:** December 05, 2014, 11:05:07 »

I'm shocked at people who based on a few people having problems with their bike, won't buy one

Following that logic, a few people have accidents whilst on the road, best not ride on the road

Even the vee, wee and glee have had problems ....

alan29 · « **Reply #139 on:** December 05, 2014, 11:25:20 »

And I am equally gob-smacked that people are content to allow a major manufacturer treat its customers as beta-testers.