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Offline macvisual

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Re: Fitting a TRE
« Reply #20 on: April 09, 2012, 22:51:35 »
Yea I agree, the fuel pump connection is virtually the same shape/style, you may have connected it into the WRONG place, do check on this!!
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Offline Itchy

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Re: Fitting a TRE
« Reply #21 on: April 10, 2012, 12:52:04 »
I did see that there was 2 connecters the same, so I took a chance and put on the one that had the same colour wires.Just been out on it, wouldn't say it was earth shatteringly different but definitely smoother in the low gears below 3000 revs, might be a coincidence but top gear seems happy at 60mph now. I would say on balance worth the money and worth doing.

Offline Mad Phil

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Re: Fitting a TRE
« Reply #22 on: April 10, 2012, 17:30:04 »
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Offline Baldrick46

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Re: Fitting a TRE
« Reply #23 on: April 16, 2012, 21:27:24 »
Thanks All :ty:
Looks like I fitted into the wrong plug DOH!! :crazy:
Change it now fuel gauge working and no OD icon in 6th.
But now its on worth every penny much smoother around town and it seems to be a lot smoother gear change.
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Offline Big Al wi the Vee

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Re: Fitting a TRE
« Reply #24 on: August 07, 2012, 15:53:54 »
You're not alone :)  I also fitted it to the fuel gauge one, but now it's on the correct one I am chuffed tae bits. :)

Offline a-gally

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Re: Fitting a TRE
« Reply #25 on: March 03, 2014, 22:54:04 »
Sorry lads this might seem a bit thick but what is a TRE ?????

And what does it do

sorry for being a plank but educate me please

Offline greywolf

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Re: Fitting a TRE
« Reply #26 on: March 03, 2014, 22:56:50 »
TRE means timing retardation eliminator. In the case of the Vee, it doesn't really do that. Instead, it fools the computer into "thinking" the transmission is always in 4th gear, the only unrestricted gear.
Pat- 2007 DL650A was ridden to all 48 contiguous states. 2012 DL650A outlasted me.
Nicknames I use to lessen typing, Vee = 2002-2012 (K2-L2) DL1000s. Veek=2014+ (L4+) DL1000s. Wee = 2004-2011 (K4-L1) DL650s. Glee = 2012+ (L2+) DL650s

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Re: Fitting a TRE
« Reply #27 on: March 04, 2014, 08:47:22 »
Suzuki in their wisdom programmed the computers (ECU or EMU) on a number of their bikes to restrict the power available in lower gears, usually 1st to 4th. They say this is done to make the bikes smoother to ride, but is probably to make them more controllable and less likely to wheelie! These restrictions usually work on the engine's ignition timing, altering the curve and maximum advance, and a TRE works by fooling the ECU into thinking the bike is in a gear that has no restriction, so the engine produces maximum power. Most Vee owners who fit them report improvements, typically smoother running at low RPM.

Offline Jacko

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Fitting a TRE
« Reply #28 on: March 04, 2014, 09:32:16 »
I wish they wouldn't do this, restrict the power, when you insure it you're insuring a bike with a set power figure, not a restricted version of that bike. All of the power all of the time please, I'll decide how much of it to apply, thank you.

Offline macvisual

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Re: Fitting a TRE
« Reply #29 on: March 04, 2014, 09:34:50 »
I've had the TRE module fitted for quite a while now on my DL1000 V-Strom and wouldn't remove it, does make it smoother and generally nicer to ride.

Over the moon with this 'cheap' upgrade. Fantastic....!!!!
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Offline greywolf

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Re: Fitting a TRE
« Reply #30 on: March 04, 2014, 12:21:52 »
Power is also restricted in 5th and 6th as either gear can exceed the ability of the frame and aerodynamics to keep the bike stable. Many motorcyclists do not understand there is such a thing as too fast.
Pat- 2007 DL650A was ridden to all 48 contiguous states. 2012 DL650A outlasted me.
Nicknames I use to lessen typing, Vee = 2002-2012 (K2-L2) DL1000s. Veek=2014+ (L4+) DL1000s. Wee = 2004-2011 (K4-L1) DL650s. Glee = 2012+ (L2+) DL650s

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Re: Fitting a TRE
« Reply #31 on: March 04, 2014, 14:46:09 »
The other obvious restriction on the Vee are the secondary throttle butterflies which are controlled by the ECU which close down at high RPM and restrict top end power. Removing these and then resetting the fuelling to suit should give it a bit more top end if you feel you need it. A well set up Vee should give around 90BHP at the rear wheel, enough for around 135-140mph and with freer flowing air filter and cans, the secondary butterflies removed and fuelling reset probably nearer 100 BHP and few more mph as well. I think it very unlikely that this would overtax the chassis. The aerodynamics may be an issue but I've ridden mine at over 145 on the clock (on the continent of course occifer) on several occasions without the slightest indication of any instability or impending doom...

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Re: Fitting a TRE
« Reply #32 on: March 04, 2014, 14:52:39 »
With a TRE, the ECM doesn't close the secondaries. Of course plenty of people have gone over the regulated speed without mishap. Some people have not been so lucky. 119mph indicated was enough for the aerodynamics of a Wee to start a tank slapper and throw me off.
Pat- 2007 DL650A was ridden to all 48 contiguous states. 2012 DL650A outlasted me.
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Re: Fitting a TRE
« Reply #33 on: March 04, 2014, 15:55:43 »
I would have thought that if there was a major safety issue such as the tendency of a loss of control due to a design fault then law suits would be flying about (especially in the U.S.) and Suzuki would have done something about it, like the did on the TL1000S some years previously, when in all probability there wasn't anything wrong with it at all. I would suspect that a tank slapper like the one you describe would have had another cause. As an example I used to have a Ducati Pantah and fitted some new Pirellis and on the first ride going over a small hump in the road in a straight line it went into full lock to lock tank slapper. I stayed on the bike but it broke the steering lock stops, kinked the front wheel, slightly bent one of the fork tubes and dented the fuel tank. It also damaged my right wrist which took several months to get back to normal. Pirelli wouldn't admit any liability but took the tyres back and sent me some different ones. So that was very definitely down to the tyres as the bike had always been super stable like all good Ducatis. My ZX6R would shake it's head quite alarmingly when going hard on bumpy roads, but this was completely cured by getting the suspension (pre-load, compression and rebound damping) all set up properly. Other things that can cause front end problems are weight distribution I.e. too much on the rear making the back squat down too far, made worse by too stiff front forks making the front too high. We all know of the buffeting problems with Vees and Wees but although this is an aerodynamic problem it is more related to discomfort and irritation rather than a safety issue. I can't find anything in the owner's handbook saying not to exceed a specific speed. All it says is not exceed 9,500 RPM, which I guess would be around 150mph. Maybe down hill with a tail wind...

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Re: Fitting a TRE
« Reply #34 on: March 04, 2014, 16:23:22 »
The stock bike can't reach 9500rpm in 5th or 6th. The ECM will close the secondaries before that.
Pat- 2007 DL650A was ridden to all 48 contiguous states. 2012 DL650A outlasted me.
Nicknames I use to lessen typing, Vee = 2002-2012 (K2-L2) DL1000s. Veek=2014+ (L4+) DL1000s. Wee = 2004-2011 (K4-L1) DL650s. Glee = 2012+ (L2+) DL650s

Offline macvisual

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Re: Fitting a TRE
« Reply #35 on: March 04, 2014, 17:26:56 »
Many months ago I did remove the secondary butterflies and didn't like what that done, caused my DL1000 to be quite lumpy and non-focused, I rode it for a few weeks then swiftly re-fitted them again.

So much better left alone is my personal experience.
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Re: Fitting a TRE
« Reply #36 on: March 04, 2014, 19:39:34 »
Lads

Thanks for the lesson on the TRE   :ty:  :clap:
I have been suffering the dreaded backfire up through the airbox which apparently is due to running too lean in the low rev band (2 to 3k rpm), I've done all the other bits like TBs balanced, plugs, KN air filter, do you learned gents think if I fitted one of these magic TRE boxes would it cure my popping and farting ????? :wtf:

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Re: Fitting a TRE
« Reply #37 on: March 04, 2014, 19:59:54 »
A TRE won't richen the mixture where it is too lean. Your other question indicates you now know what will.
Pat- 2007 DL650A was ridden to all 48 contiguous states. 2012 DL650A outlasted me.
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Re: Fitting a TRE
« Reply #38 on: March 04, 2014, 20:00:47 »
Unlikely in my opinion, but if you can pick one for a few quid I won't do any harm. Best possible solutions would be to either get the bike set up on a Yoshi box or similar (some Suzuki dealers have them and should be able to do it for not too much money), or fit it with a Power Commander and either get it set up on a dyno or try some different fuelling maps until you find one that does the job. You can probably pick up a S/H one for under £100 and the later 3 series models can have their fuelling adjusted with the buttons on the unit itself.