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Offline Fenris

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O2 Sensors
« on: May 07, 2010, 12:18:48 »
OK blokes - I need some help. Providing the parcel that needs picking up is my Power Commander I'll be fitting that (or at least trying to) this weekend.

I've seen a few posts on here about disabling the O2 sensor - first off I wanted to know if there's just one that I have to worry about or is there one for each exhaust?

Secondly, I'm a little dubious about snipping cables permanently. What I was planning to do is find the wire that needs cutting and fitting a little toggle switch so I can return it to stock easily. Would that work? Anything I need to worry about?

Thirdly, when I've been searching for info about this I've seen lots of references to "Timing Retard Eliminator" - is this just another term for bypassing the O2 sensor? As far as I can tell it is but I'm not 100% sure.

Cheers!


Edit: Also, when I come to fit new end-cans am I going to have to worry about the O2 sensor? Or as I've disabled it can it just come off with the old exhaust? Sorry about the potentially dumb questions.
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Offline Beerbelly

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Re: O2 Sensors
« Reply #1 on: May 07, 2010, 16:49:25 »
The O2 sensor has to be deactivated or it will just over ride the PCIII map by automatically tweaking the ECU.

There is only one sensor, if you look at the exhaust pipe where it comes down to a single pipe, (near to where your right heel would be on the foot rest) you will see it sticking out of the exhaust, it's just small a metal screw in insert with wiring coming out. Just leave it be, if you replace the end cans only you don't need to worry about it. Once you get the PCIII on just disconnect the wiring that runs from the O2 sensor by taking off the belly pan and follow the wires until you get to the plastic connectors, just unclip both and make sure they are safely taped out of the way. Because you have disconnected the sensor wiring a fault warning light will illuminate on the dash, this is why you then need to disable the trigger wire which goes into the ECU. This is a bit more fiddly. With your PCIII you will get a diagram showing which wire needs to be disconnected, it depends upon how old your bike is, on mine it was a black & white wire (K7 model), triple check you have identified the correct one though! As I said before I struggled to get the wire out of the ECU connector on mine so I had to cut the wire. I basically removed some of the PVC tape covering the wiring loom close to the ECU connector so I could get better access and cut the wire mid point so I could just solder on a bullet connector in case I want to revert back to the stock set up. It was all re-taped afterwards and looks fine. It's very fiddly unless you want to start removing the rear body / seat panels. If you can identify this feeder wire further back down the loom, or extend the wiring close to the ECU connector you will get a toggle switch in somewhere if you wanted.

The TRE won't have any effect on the O2 sensor, it just overrides electronic limiters which reduce top end power in certain gears.

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Re: O2 Sensors
« Reply #2 on: May 07, 2010, 17:06:23 »
That's great thanks for the reply mate. I have a K7 too so that's handy :) I'm going to try a switch instead of a bullet connector just as I don't a crimper for the latter, the switch I have bought is tiny though so hopefully it'll fit somewhere.

So TRE is something totally different? I read somewhere that it had an effect on low end power in the first 1-4 gears but if it's not something I need to worry about then I shan't!
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Re: O2 Sensors
« Reply #3 on: May 07, 2010, 18:16:14 »
You might have to extend the wire to get a switch in, unless you take quite a bit of PVC loom tape off to get enough play. When you have a look at the connector on the ECU, it's the smaller one of the two, you will see there's only about two inches of wire to play with before it joins the main loom.

By the way, I use this supplier for electrical odds & sods, they're very good; http://www.vehicle-wiring-products.eu/VWP-onlinestore/home/homepage.php

Offline Sven

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Re: O2 Sensors
« Reply #4 on: May 07, 2010, 19:13:15 »
Quote from: "Fenris"

So TRE is something totally different? I read somewhere that it had an effect on low end power in the first 1-4 gears but if it's not something I need to worry about then I shan't!

A TRE is totally seperate from the O2 sensor.
Suzuki soften the power delivery in the first 4 gears by retarding the ignition timing. By pluging in a TRE (timing retard eliminator) it fools the ECU into thinking its in 5th or 6th gear all the time - thereby running the full power map all the time. The TRE on my 650 can be changed to run 4th, 5th or 6th gear maps (The differences are very small !?!)
Also on the 1000 it removes the 6th gear/top speed restrictor (I think?). Also removes the OD indicator on the clocks (as ECU thinks its in 5th all the time).
A TRE does not make more power - it just brings full power at an earlier throttle opening, thereby making it 'feel' more lively/powerful at smaller throttle openings.
Hope this makes sense?

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Re: O2 Sensors
« Reply #5 on: May 07, 2010, 19:16:47 »
Quote from: "Fenris"
So TRE is something totally different? I read somewhere that it had an effect on low end power in the first 1-4 gears but if it's not something I need to worry about then I shan't!

Power is limited by the ECU in the first 4 gears, by fitting a TRE you are able to access full power, some say it gives better engine/throttle response and smoothes the idle & running out,some say it doesn't.  I fitted one and didn't really notice a difference, perhaps my style of riding. :shrug:  So I took it off.  I have read of them being fitted in addition to a Power Commander, best to seek advice from a specialist tuner re this.
 
If you want one, you can have mine for a tenner, cost me close to £20, PM me if interested.

Good luck with the set up.
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Re: O2 Sensors
« Reply #6 on: May 07, 2010, 19:23:54 »
Aye that's great Sven - makes sense.

Thanks for the offer Eric, I'll pass for now though I think at least until I've got the PC in and see how that goes :)
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Re: O2 Sensors
« Reply #7 on: May 13, 2010, 20:56:06 »
Right, finally had a free evening and some dry weather so fitted the PC. Have to say it was a proper ballache job, for me at least.

I made a real noob mistake and ended up cutting one of the cables from the O2 sensor connectors, I got confused as to what I was doing  ### It makes no difference now really but will make it tougher to get it back to stock if I ever need to.

The second issue was identifying the ECU; I had no idea what or where I was looking for and the internet was not forthcoming! If anyone else is as technically incompetent as me - it's tucked up behind the battery. Anyway I thankfully identified and cut the right cable there. I was going to try and solder a switch inline but as Beerbelly said there's not much room, and as I'd already butchered another cable there didn't seem much point.

Anyway, it's all running and I went for a little spin. Does seem notably smoother. I also got to test my SatNav set up and it seems OK on the bike, will have to see how it fares in direct sunlight but so far so good.

Cheers for the advice chaps and at least I can now chip in for the next person that's struggling to get it sorted!
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Re: O2 Sensors
« Reply #8 on: March 26, 2014, 16:14:15 »
Hello blokes and blokettes

I appear to be in some sort of O2 sensor hell as well.
I've managed to get the PCIII on board, disconnected the three pin and single pin connectors for the O2 sensor, then located and pulled the black/white wire from the smaller of the two ECU connectors, but I'm still getting the F1 error message for the Heated O2 sensor, and it's starting to annoy me.

Any helpful advice?
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Re: O2 Sensors
« Reply #9 on: March 26, 2014, 17:39:47 »
I think that PCIII is only for models 2004-2006. If your K7 this spark plug per cylinder you will need to use PCV
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Re: O2 Sensors
« Reply #10 on: March 26, 2014, 18:01:32 »
I think you may be muddling 650s and 1000s. The PC3 and PC3USB will both fit the 1000. Don't know about the 650.

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Re: O2 Sensors
« Reply #11 on: March 26, 2014, 23:48:34 »
The older and newer DL1000 have slightly different ECU wiring for the O2 sensor. Search the forum and you should find discussions for the Power Commander and other people that's had the same issue. I'm sure there was info on what to do for each model on here somewhere.
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Re: O2 Sensors
« Reply #12 on: March 27, 2014, 06:58:02 »
I've been searching this issue myself and found the answer . By cutting the black/white wire, 2nd one in from the right hand bottom corner on the smaller block connector on the ECU should disable the FI light.
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